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Yeah right you will stop think like that when you mess with a real high rank demon and they fck the shit out of you, just look at your idol Crowley how he ends his days in misery, poor and addicted to drugs cause he try to foolish Choronzon then Choronzon fck him, his last words as he helds the nurse hand's in tears were: "I am perplexed. Satan, get out." Then he dies; this new age beliefs bullshet always trying to simplify things for basic minds who don't want to accept the hard but real truth, mislead and cause confusion in the modern occultist. No they are not part of you psique or your subconcious, Yes they are real, Yes they are external and individual forces, Yes they can kill you no matter how powerful or protected you think you are, Yes they can help you and always approach to them with due RESPECT, don't do anything that may offend them and maybe they show up and you can see them with your own eyes as i did.
I truly appreciate your powerful writings, which reflect an exploratory spirit and kind hearts. Let me open the doors and break the chains. Where are they? They are in the world of the Barzakh, in its outer shell—a world between the material universe and the realm of the dead. They are there, between the two worlds, living among us yet hidden from our sight. Has anyone seen the movie Ghost? That film is a clear example; it embodies this perspective and brings it very close to home. What are they like? They are ethereal beings and spiritual currents capable of materializing and taking form by utilizing actual physical elements—such as a medium’s body, incense smoke, a magical potion, or the shape of a hollow statue. Their spiritual empire is vast and far-reaching, and they outnumber earthly creatures by nearly ten to one. They are ruled by kings and emperors, and not all jinn are demons; rather, there are religions and beliefs that encompass everything on the face of the earth and beyond. Some worship their kings, the “Taghut,” and I will mention a few examples, such as Khamush, Set, Zeus, etc. They have a hierarchical system of government, and among them are the strong, the weak, the foolish, and the cunning... etc.
Among them are traitors, bloodsuckers, and sorcerers. Their desire is absolute sovereignty, and what drives them is the urge to dominate, lord over, and control. Does the other world love you or hate you? The truth I’ve come to realize is that there are those who hate humans intensely, and there are those who love humans and take pity on them—but they all crave control over people and situations. Why do those realms serve you? They serve you in three situations: either because you are important to them and demonstrating your power will help them spread a belief, instill fear, or achieve some other goal; or because you have connections with their leaders and use them to control the lesser ones out of fear of jinn, spirits, or more powerful demons; and the final scenario is that you know the divine or magical names that weaken or kill them if necessary—“in which case they will hate you very, very, very much”—because fear is the driving force behind hatred.
Yeah right you will stop think like that when you mess with a real high rank demon and they fck the shit out of you, just look at your idol Crowley how he ends his days in misery, poor and addicted to drugs cause he try to foolish Choronzon then Choronzon fck him, his last words as he helds the nurse hand's in tears were: "I am perplexed. Satan, get out." Then he dies; this new age beliefs bullshet always trying to simplify things for basic minds who don't want to accept the hard but real truth, mislead and cause confusion in the modern occultist. No they are not part of you psique or your subconcious, Yes they are real, Yes they are external and individual forces, Yes they can kill you no matter how powerful or protected you think you are, Yes they can help you and always approach to them with due RESPECT, don't do anything that may offend them and maybe they show up and you can see them with your own eyes as i did.
Yes, that’s it—this movie is absolutely amazing. Look at the other world—it’s not about ghosts, but rather the world of the jinn. What I mean is, look at how a ghost could break into a house, kill someone, set something on fire, cross borders, or take control of a spiritual medium’s body? Basically, demons are part of the jinn; the jinn are the original species, whereas “demons” represent an ideology, a way of thinking, and a lifestyle. Forgive me, but it’s like the difference between a Chinese person, a Brazilian, an Indian, and an African. They are ways of life, but we are all human beings; likewise, they are ways of life, but they belong to a single species—all created from fire into which a soul was breathed—which is why they are rational beings. Imagine that you’re dealing with creatures that see you while you cannot see them, and hear you while you cannot hear them. You’re entering a battle while blind and deaf—you have nothing but your imagination, your beliefs, or your faith. But is what you imagine and believe the truth, or is it a manipulation of your senses and perception?
I like that Lon Milo Duquette quote about our heads being bigger than we might initially expect, but at the same time, I tend to believe there are things external to us. I think our perceptions of them are mediated by everything we contain though-- our cultures, our personal experiences, etc. There's a certain ineffability to those things that exist beyond us, so I try to accept that I may never fully understand how it all works or what really is there (although I will certainly keep trying to). I like to do what I think works for my circumstances.
Both. With priority to the objective reality.
the fact of the matter is the demonic entity is itself an extra-mental reality. However, 90 percent of the time, you only know them through somatic and mental effects- the way they make you feel.
but consider, those of you who do power scans and swaps- just as other humans present their energy to you under imagery that can be vague or hard to understand, so too the demons- partly due to how much they wish to reveal, partly due to how much you get in your own way.
but the normal place for a demon to manifest is in your imagination.
Indeed, demons are mental entities, but they are physical beings as well; they feed on earthly substances—that is, they have a diet—and they infiltrate the mind and thoughts. However, in order to manifest, they must enter your body, for they can possess a body and control it; in general, 70% of magic involves this possession. Let’s move on to a deeper level: how do we make contact, how do we prepare the place for contact, how do we get demons to appear before us, and how do we expel them? And one final question: do you think contacting more than one entity is appropriate, or does it have negative consequences?
Indeed, demons are mental entities, but they are physical beings as well; they feed on earthly substances—that is, they have a diet—and they infiltrate the mind and thoughts. However, in order to manifest, they must enter your body, for they can possess a body and control it; in general, 70% of magic involves this possession. Let’s move on to a deeper level: how do we make contact, how do we prepare the place for contact, how do we get demons to appear before us, and how do we expel them? And one final question: do you think contacting more than one entity is appropriate, or does it have negative consequences?
Interesting. How do you define physical, and what about manifestations outside the person that don’t involve possession, and what do you mean by a demon being a mental being? Also, what does a mental being eat?
there is never a moment you are unobserved by them. If you say a name, eyes are upon you. So you never have to fight for their attention. Generally they are willing to manifest in the beginning fairly easily because they want to show you your fears and reactions. As for external manifestations there is a range. However a full external physical manifestation can and does happen. Not to me, but to people like Cipher Grove on YouTube. Any extreme emotion is a catalyst for manifestation. Also, the personality of the demon in question matters. Generally the Goetia are very quick to act and to make their presence felt. You don’t need insane concentration. You need to be willing to accept the fear and open to the experience in surrender.
I reccomend any beginner to Goetia use Jareth Tempests boon on demonic pathworkings.
Interesting. How do you define physical, and what about manifestations outside the person that don’t involve possession, and what do you mean by a demon being a mental being? Also, what does a mental being eat?
In short, demons are sentient beings—that is, they can connect with your mind. They are ethereal entities that can enter your body and take it over, thereby merging with you so that your powers combine to carry out the intended action. This is the general concept behind spells, and whatever sorcerers eat, drink, or desire all point to an entity that will attach itself to you and interfere with you. tingling, numbness, and heaviness in the body and limbs are all signs of where the demon or jinn is centered within the human body. Séances and sessions with spiritual mediums are, quite simply, one of many forms of physical possession, or demonic possession. If we examine these phrases linguistically and contextually, they simply refer to an entity that can take hold of you and flow through you like electricity through wires, or completely possess you, or merge your vision with its own so that you see as a child does in the mandal—for example: the mandal has a spirit that serves it. He is the “revealer,” and he has a talisman depending on the type he will work with; he writes his symbol, “Sajil,” or a complete talisman—whether silent or vocal—on the child’s forehead, and the difference between the two is significant. The seer comes and channels his power into the prepared child. At this point, the child’s eyes are covered, and he begins to see—through the medium’s body, a mirror, oil, a polished palm, or a black surface (just like your phone screen)—images and video conferences between you and them. The other world is mind-boggling when you think about it and leaves you in awe the more you work with them—hearing about it is not the same as seeing it for yourself, for those who succeed are not like those who fail. The important thing is that they eat any kind of food—just as every human takes a bite of a sandwich or drinks a sip of water—except that they prepare it themselves, eat it, drink it, and enjoy it. The only thing that stops them is the name of God; other than that, there are no restrictions on them except in very rare cases and with people who are highly skilled in combining toxic and lethal substances. So, my dear friends, anyone who eats can be poisoned—this law applies to everyone. Even iron can be poisoned, destroyed, weakened, and controlled… isn’t that so?
In short, demons are sentient beings—that is, they can connect with your mind. They are ethereal entities that can enter your body and take it over, thereby merging with you so that your powers combine to carry out the intended action. This is the general concept behind spells, and whatever sorcerers eat, drink, or desire all point to an entity that will attach itself to you and interfere with you. tingling, numbness, and heaviness in the body and limbs are all signs of where the demon or jinn is centered within the human body. Séances and sessions with spiritual mediums are, quite simply, one of many forms of physical possession, or demonic possession. If we examine these phrases linguistically and contextually, they simply refer to an entity that can take hold of you and flow through you like electricity through wires, or completely possess you, or merge your vision with its own so that you see as a child does in the mandal—for example: the mandal has a spirit that serves it. He is the “revealer,” and he has a talisman depending on the type he will work with; he writes his symbol, “Sajil,” or a complete talisman—whether silent or vocal—on the child’s forehead, and the difference between the two is significant. The seer comes and channels his power into the prepared child. At this point, the child’s eyes are covered, and he begins to see—through the medium’s body, a mirror, oil, a polished palm, or a black surface (just like your phone screen)—images and video conferences between you and them. The other world is mind-boggling when you think about it and leaves you in awe the more you work with them—hearing about it is not the same as seeing it for yourself, for those who succeed are not like those who fail. The important thing is that they eat any kind of food—just as every human takes a bite of a sandwich or drinks a sip of water—except that they prepare it themselves, eat it, drink it, and enjoy it. The only thing that stops them is the name of God; other than that, there are no restrictions on them except in very rare cases and with people who are highly skilled in combining toxic and lethal substances. So, my dear friends, anyone who eats can be poisoned—this law applies to everyone. Even iron can be poisoned, destroyed, weakened, and controlled… isn’t that so?
I learned it through direct contact with elderly teachers and people connected to both the upper and lower worlds, as well as through my direct encounters with and communication with jinn and demons.
After reading through all of these responses (you fuckers are really smart), I can't help but feel the urge to scream a little. Not because the discussion is wrong, honestly, it's fascinating, but because I think sometimes we try so hard to explain a mystery that we forget to actually experience it. Good luck putting lightning in a bottle.
I am reminded of a quote from Tommy Kelly: "Some mysteries are to be experienced rather than solved."
Some minds cannot help but build castles and cathedrals around a mystery. We construct systems, models, philosophies, and explanations. There is nothing wrong with that. Those things can be beautiful and useful. But we should be careful not to mistake the explanation for the thing itself.
Sometimes the magick is in the mystery. Read that again if you need to.
The presence of a spirit does not become more real because we finally found the perfect words to describe it. The experience does not become more profound because we built a perfect container for it. Some things refuse to be contained.
Stand in awe of it. Let the encounter change you. Let it challenge you. Let it burn away what needs to be burned and teach what needs to be learned.
Maybe the mystery is not a problem to be solved. Maybe it is a relationship to be entered.
Experience is always greater than description. The terrain is not the map, and it never will be. You can spend a lifetime studying the ink, the paper, the lines, the cartographer, and the mathematics of the map, but eventually you have to step onto the land.
Don't let your desire for a box to contain the mystery become an excuse to never enter it. And don't let your attachment to one answer become the very thing that blinds you to what is actually happening.
What the hell do I know. I'm just another voice in the void. But I think sometimes the greatest wisdom is not having the final answer. Sometimes it is standing before the unknown and just saying: "Teach me."
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Crawley was just another con artist, but he was a professional, and the rest of the world deeply hates con artists.
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Yes, that’s it—this movie is absolutely amazing. Look at the other world—it’s not about ghosts, but rather the world of the jinn. What I mean is, look at how a ghost could break into a house, kill someone, set something on fire, cross borders, or take control of a spiritual medium’s body? Basically, demons are part of the jinn; the jinn are the original species, whereas “demons” represent an ideology, a way of thinking, and a lifestyle. Forgive me, but it’s like the difference between a Chinese person, a Brazilian, an Indian, and an African. They are ways of life, but we are all human beings; likewise, they are ways of life, but they belong to a single species—all created from fire into which a soul was breathed—which is why they are rational beings. Imagine that you’re dealing with creatures that see you while you cannot see them, and hear you while you cannot hear them. You’re entering a battle while blind and deaf—you have nothing but your imagination, your beliefs, or your faith. But is what you imagine and believe the truth, or is it a manipulation of your senses and perception?
I saw this film, for me it is a spoken story, but not an indicator of how it really happens. My personal experience does not support the possibility of ghosts directly influencing material things.
Crawley was just another con artist, but he was a professional, and the rest of the world deeply hates con artists.
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Yes, that’s it—this movie is absolutely amazing. Look at the other world—it’s not about ghosts, but rather the world of the jinn. What I mean is, look at how a ghost could break into a house, kill someone, set something on fire, cross borders, or take control of a spiritual medium’s body? Basically, demons are part of the jinn; the jinn are the original species, whereas “demons” represent an ideology, a way of thinking, and a lifestyle. Forgive me, but it’s like the difference between a Chinese person, a Brazilian, an Indian, and an African. They are ways of life, but we are all human beings; likewise, they are ways of life, but they belong to a single species—all created from fire into which a soul was breathed—which is why they are rational beings. Imagine that you’re dealing with creatures that see you while you cannot see them, and hear you while you cannot hear them. You’re entering a battle while blind and deaf—you have nothing but your imagination, your beliefs, or your faith. But is what you imagine and believe the truth, or is it a manipulation of your senses and perception?
II saw this film. For me, this is a romantic fairy tale, but definitely not a reflection of what is really happening. My personal experience does not confirm the ability of ghosts to influence the material world, to influence the psyche, yes, on solid things, no. My experience does not confirm this. Ghosts can be powerful and eventually turn into another form, and then lose the memory of human life and become an entity. They have something similar to human thinking, but
Crawley was just another con artist, but he was a professional, and the rest of the world deeply hates con artists.
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Yes, that’s it—this movie is absolutely amazing. Look at the other world—it’s not about ghosts, but rather the world of the jinn. What I mean is, look at how a ghost could break into a house, kill someone, set something on fire, cross borders, or take control of a spiritual medium’s body? Basically, demons are part of the jinn; the jinn are the original species, whereas “demons” represent an ideology, a way of thinking, and a lifestyle. Forgive me, but it’s like the difference between a Chinese person, a Brazilian, an Indian, and an African. They are ways of life, but we are all human beings; likewise, they are ways of life, but they belong to a single species—all created from fire into which a soul was breathed—which is why they are rational beings. Imagine that you’re dealing with creatures that see you while you cannot see them, and hear you while you cannot hear them. You’re entering a battle while blind and deaf—you have nothing but your imagination, your beliefs, or your faith. But is what you imagine and believe the truth, or is it a manipulation of your senses and perception?
I know that movie. For me, it's a romantic fairy tale that doesn't show how it works in reality. It doesn't match my personal experience with ghosts. In my experience, they can't influence matter or set houses on fire. They can only influence the subtle, that is, our psyche and the air. There is a very strange kind of ghost that has found a way to feed, and they seem to mutate and become more powerful entities, and even they can't influence matter. Only if they expand, then a poltergeist effect is observed. When doors creak and curtains move, it's because of the air. They can't touch anything with their hands like people. But they can occupy space. I once encountered one of these, and it attacked me. But in general, ghosts are quite helpless and weak. The main sign of a ghost's presence is an icy chill from its attempts to interact; frankly, it's a very unpleasant feeling. That's where their influence on matter ends; I didn't observe anything else. I saw it as a clot; It could thicken and expand. This created a whitish effect. My husband didn't see it. But when I recorded the presence of this ghost on video, after watching it, the video initially glitched. After the first viewing, there was static, after the second, colored stripes, and then it turned to white noise every time. My skeptical husband's hair even stood on end. But as for setting the house on fire and the like, no, I haven't observed anything like that. Moreover, I don't see ordinary ghosts with my own eyes, but I feel their presence very clearly and hear their voices in my head. (Perhaps this depends on the degree of my immersion, I'm not sure.) They don't attack, they mostly just chatter like a broken cassette tape, telling stories about their lives, often without even realizing that they are dead. I wouldn't say they have a living mind of their own. Yes, they can answer questions, but always within the limits of what they already know in the context of their past-life personality. It is impossible to teach them anything. I don't think they're like the Arab jinn. Although I know little about jinn, having never studied your culture. Only the Jewish Kabbalah, but that's still different. As I understand it, jinn are essentially what the Irish and British call fairies. Among them are those who grant wishes and always strive to deceive, to give less than they take. I understand this to be the main characteristic of jinn. If this is true, then in principle I agree that all devils and demons are jinn by nature. Ghosts are of a different nature; what you call jinn are fiery creatures, and in their presence I feel a warmth; they have a fiery nature, while ghosts, on the contrary, are cold, and instead of exciting the psyche, they inspire melancholy and apathy, suicidal thoughts, and so on.
With respect, that’s only a debate because a very difficult method of spirit work, evocation, went mainstream, beginning with Crowley’s efforts in his own edition and his almost immediate psychologizing of what he encountered there.
The public, including writers, academics, and academic writers who had never stepped into a circle but nonetheless held strong opinions about the material, eventually realized that an operation like this is, in fact, much harder to perform than the text makes it seem. From there, the discussion devolved into competing theories about why it won’t “just work.” Ironically, many of them didn’t arrive at this realization because they had actually tried it. Many simply assumed that it wouldn’t work and proceeded to publish their opinions as facts. I say this because I met many of them.
One of the most popular theories consists of variations on Crowley’s position: from the reasons certain tools are used to the nature of the spirits themselves, either it’s all in your head or, at the very least, it’s heavily influenced by your mind.
What they don’t seem to realize is that the same logic could be applied to spirit embodiment in African and African-diasporic traditions. Why should it apply to a spirit from the Ars Goetia but not to a lwa? At least part of the answer is that they’d be canceled into oblivion, and with good reason, for suggesting it. It’s not just factually wrong. It reduces knowledge held within certain traditions to the terms of public discourse, turning it into an “is this thing that I’ve never seen before real?” conversation packaged for social media consumption.
