Epstein's power and authority

[Nemrud]

Greetings all
I'm sure you've all heard about Epstein scandals , since Baal and Moloch are involved my question is do you think that Epstein's power was gained through magick, unrevealed or unknown rituals , spirits and god's or you think it's much more complex than that and this is only the surface ? In other words do you think that being involved deeply in the occult can give one such power and authority ?

 

[Morell]

Deeply unlikely. It was probably all just money and connections.

 

[AlfrunGrima]

Deeply unlikely. It was probably all just money and connections.

This... if a person has enough money and the right connections there is no occult nessecairy. But @Yazata @HoldAll isn't it better to move this topic over to the forumsub controversy?

 

[A.Nox]

This... if a person has enough money and the right connections there is no occult nessecairy. But @Yazata @HoldAll isn't it better to move this topic over to the forumsub controversy?

True. Controversy section would handle this better.

 

[Morell]

This is rather controversial topic, but asking about occult influence is occult topic too.

So to keep on topic, I'll add that demon cannot give you power over something he has no power over.

 

[Nemrud]

This is rather controversial topic, but asking about occult influence is occult topic too.

So to keep on topic, I'll add that demon cannot give you power over something he has no power over.

Alright thank you so much for your insights

 

[Nemrud]

This... if a person has enough money and the right connections there is no occult nessecairy. But @Yazata @HoldAll isn't it better to move this topic over to the forumsub controversy?

Dear friend , my question is so clear that I'm asking about occult influence over serious practitioners, I'm not interested in Epstein as a person

 

[AlfrunGrima]

Dear friend , my question is so clear that I'm asking about occult influence over serious practitioners, I'm not interested in Epstein as a person

Ok, I think I made in my mind to fast a conclusion. Normally I have quality posts, but I can make a mishap too. The mishap was missing the last part of the post. My bad, excuse to everyone in the topic.

But back on track, I don't think that occult power can reach so far that these kinds of power over people is possible. It only would be possible if people believe that a practitioner has that power. Making others believe in that, is not so easy?

 

[MorganBlack]

The reason people are calling these vile predators "Satanists" is because Hollywood Satanism -'Rosemary's Baby', etc, is all they can think of. It's their only framework for something so monstrous.

They really need a bigger mythic vocabulary... or more movies. .. or even just 'Cabin in the Woods'

 

[Nemrud]

The reason people are calling these vile predators "Satanists" is because Hollywood Satanism -'Rosemary's Baby', etc, is all they can think of. It's their only framework for something so monstrous.

They really need a bigger mythic vocabulary... or more movies. .. or even just 'Cabin in the Woods'

Well , to be honest with you the real reason of me relating between Epstein and the occult is one of D H Thorne videos where he mentioned that they found a status of Moloch in his island , him worshipping Moloch . Since then I can't halt myself from thinking about his power and authority

 

[Keldan]

Yeah, I’m with Morell on Epstein’s power, it was money and connections. When someone has that kind of money, they can access networks and influence that regular people simply don’t have.

Does being deeply involved in the occult give someone that kind of power or authority? No. If someone is talking about occult things that barely relate to your interests, they have no power over you. And if you do have influence in a situation through evocation, that’s “borrowed power,” help you asked for. It’s not your power.

For me, authority comes from lived experience in the practice. Someone can be involved in the occult for years and still only skirt around, that doesn’t make them an authority.

Can a practitioner convince others that they have power and authority? Yes. With some knowledge, if one edges around a bit, it usually impresses and convinces people that they know things. But that usually falls apart when they’re around serious practitioners.

 

[Nemrud]

Yeah, I’m with Morell on Epstein’s power, it was money and connections. When someone has that kind of money, they can access networks and influence that regular people simply don’t have.

Does being deeply involved in the occult give someone that kind of power or authority? No. If someone is talking about occult things that barely relate to your interests, they have no power over you. And if you do have influence in a situation through evocation, that’s “borrowed power,” help you asked for. It’s not your power.

For me, authority comes from lived experience in the practice. Someone can be involved in the occult for years and still only skirt around, that doesn’t make them an authority.

Can a practitioner convince others that they have power and authority? Yes. With some knowledge, if one edges around a bit, it usually impresses and convinces people that they know things. But that usually falls apart when they’re around serious practitioners.

Alright , but again my question is do you think that those who take magick and the occult seriously can accumulate such wealth that allows them to conquer the world ?

 

[Beyond Everything]

Epstein was not an occultist. The closest he came to indicating an esoteric interest was in alien abductions, and that was him asking Lawrence Krauss to ghostwrite a piece debunking it.

 

[Asteriskos]

How much "power and authority" does it require to get yourself "eliminated" or commit suicide while in custody?

 

[gonzo666]

It seems like a big ol psyop to garner a specific reaction from the public. Everyday my opinion changes on what or how he was able to do all this and what the real intent was.

 

[diana_i_gusarova]

A lot of things here are probably fictions of journalists and conspiracy nonsense. But there are facts that make you think. For example, Epstein acquired fragments of the kiswa (veil) of the holy Kaaba in Saudi Arabia. Why would a Jew and a Zionist need a Muslim shrine? What rituals did he perform with her or was about to perform?

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I don't think it was the interest of a relic collector.

 

[Thee Nightfool]

Why would a Jew and a Zionist need a Muslim shrine? What rituals did he perform with her or was about to perform?

To deface it, of course. I highly doubt someone like Epstein was a lover of all world religions and traditions.

And if I remember correctly, the Files indicate he did just that with the veil... who knows what the reality of the situation was, though. Obviously there's a lot of "twilight language" being used by him and his associates.

And yes, this idea that he actually venerated Baal and Moloch is weak at best. If there was something there, it was equivalent to some teenage black metal fanatic worshiping "Satan" from the get-go as an aesthetic afterthought. I doubt there was ever really that much bhakti there. Shit, he was buds with Deepak Chopra, which is about as "basic bitch" as it gets when it comes to Oprah-tier new-age in the modern day.

Now, if Epstein had rare/lost manuscripts of Canaanite sorcery, that would be intriguing, eh? Doubt we would ever hear of such madness if true, though.

 

[Morell]

Alright , but again my question is do you think that those who take magick and the occult seriously can accumulate such wealth that allows them to conquer the world ?

You mean, can one use occult art alone to achieve great power and influence in the physical world?

No.

If you want to get entire world, you would have to get towards a being that already rules entire world and do you think that it would let you to carelessly play with what belongs to them? No mortal human can offer them enough to even consider such a stupid trade.

Another angle is that no demon or spiritual being is as powerful in human world as humans are. Spirits can only affect this world to certain extend and that is less than one would expect from all the legends and tales. Mostly they can work with randomness and probability, offering better luck, or giving thoughts to humans, but they cannot affect if people will accept their thoughts or how they will react on them. No demon will offer you a demon army or even army of mindless humans who will follow your every word. Funny irony. Even the most powerful being can find itself being completely powerless in some matters.

We even have historical evidence of that. Aleister Crowley was powerful occultist. Yet when he came to perform his attack on a lodge in London using his impressive occult skill, he failed. (Year 1900)

 

[Thee Nightfool]

If you want to get entire world, you would have to get towards a being that already rules entire world and do you think that it would let you to carelessly play with what belongs to them? No mortal human can offer them enough to even consider such a stupid trade.

I don't know, the Demiurge might be inclined towards such (temporary) boons. Let's ring Him up on the 'ol Gnostic Bluetooth, eh?.

 

[Morell]

I don't know, the Demiurge might be inclined towards such (temporary) boons Let's ring Him up on the 'ol Gnostic Bluetooth, eh?.

Doubt that. What can you offer to someone who already owns everything, you included?